He knows that it is not a question of indulgence or renunciation; it is a question of awareness. Be in the world, but be with awareness. Don’t go anywhere, don’t have antagonistic attitudes towards life. Kabir is tremendously life-affirmative. He loved, he had a wife, he had two children, and he lived the life of a householder…and yet was one of the greatest seers of the world. He lived in the world and remained untouched.That’s his beauty. He is a lotus flower.